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Geyer Dreaming IV: The Custom Horn Maker, and a Closer Look at Geyer 223

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One question I have heard in relation to custom horn makers is this; are they just assembling parts? What makes them better than just buying a factory horn?

Horn assembler, or horn maker?

Typically, brass instruments are made in a factory setting. The largest makers may have hundreds of employees, most of whom specialize in certain steps in the production process. And being a large shop, while they would buy the tube from a tube maker, those big makers typically do everything else; they make the valve sections, make the bells, make all the parts and bring it all to completion.

Some horn makers are smaller, but are still a shop with multiple employees. Depending on their skillsets and how far they want to take it, those makers could make it all, but may choose to buy bells and/or valve sections from shops that specialize in making bells and valve sections. Not to mention other parts such as the small, second valve tubes and braces may be purchased.

A side point worth mentioning as well, smaller makers typically don’t make nickel silver horns. Nickel silver is more difficult to work with and to obtain in smaller quantities.

Then we get to a one-man shop like Geyer. He did not do it all. In short:

It was a custom horn, but some key parts were purchased

Go back to the quotes in part III (here), you get a good visual idea of the Geyer shop. He did have a lathe for making some parts, and a buffing machine to bring instruments up to their final finish. He had some space to spread out and work! But he did not have a giant lathe setup to make bells, or all the equipment needed to build and braze together a valve section, for example.

In part I of this series (here) I mentioned that according to Milan Yancich, Geyer first made his new design in 1923, and that a Geyer style Geyer horn with a serial number of 223 exists – which should date to February of 1923. This horn was previously in the collection of Vince Kavalovski, and is currently owned by John Wunderlin. It will serve as a good model to look at in relation to how these were built, with the final photo showing the horn after restoration by Ron Pinc.

UPDATE: Please see this article for more on this horn, which actually likely dates to the late 1930s or early 1940s — Geyer did not always follow his serial number system.

As indicated already, there were two very key parts Geyer simply had to purchase: the bell and the valve section. While to a point bells are bells, as this horn was a new design, he would have had to share some information about what he was doing with his valve maker in Germany to have this exact valve section produced. While only speculation on my part, this could be another source of how Knopf learned of the design.

What is especially interesting about horn 223 is what we would think of as a Knopf style body. Today we conventionally think of Geyer horns having a straight profile across the four valves, but this one has the curved crook out of the first valve. In any case, though, Geyer did not make that valve section himself, that came from a third-party maker. More on the topic of Geyer and Knopf and the lack of a patent on the design may be found in part 2 of this series.

And note the layout of the tubing on the back: this is the iconic layout that defines the Geyer/Knopf wrap.

Some parts were made in his shop

It should be stated clearly that Geyer did make many key parts of his horns. He certainly was set up to make all the tapered tubing on the horn before the bell tail. That would in particular be the critical lead pipe and first branch tapers. Either of those two parts, not made very well, will leave a horn playing not very well.

In addition, you have bracing that is not just there for bling! On the horn it takes makers years to figure out optimal bracing placement, and it makes a big difference. Over time, if you look at older and newer instruments by custom makers, you will see some evolution of this design element, and others.

Speaking further about braces, while he could have taken the time to make all the braces, he may not have bothered to do the small ones, as it is very possible to buy these parts. On this horn, all the nickel silver parts were likely purchased rather than made.

Turning to the bends in the tubing, all the larger bends he of course did, and I believe he was capable of making the 1st and 3rd F horn valve slides as well (although perhaps they were purchased). But the small crooks like on the 2nd valve slide, those were certainly purchased, as were the bows of all the other tuning slides.

You will notice that horn #223 is essentially all brass. As mentioned earlier, brass would have been easier for him to obtain in smaller quantities, and building in all brass became over time part of what makes the look and feel of a traditional Geyer-style horn. Dare I say even, the magic of the horn?

How does #223 play?

Returning to the horn seen in the photos in this article, current owner of Geyer 223 John Wunderlin reports that the horn has a very narrow bell throat. Also, quoting him, “The horn has terrific intonation but it tends on the flat side.” Which I found very interesting, as my Geyer single F also is built a bit flat to my needs.

My single F was a horn I worked on during my sabbatical project, and is described more here. It came to me minus the bell, and with an unusable Geyer lead pipe (the previous owner had used the bell to restore another Geyer horn). I saved as much of the remaining Geyer as I could, including the long pieces of bent tubing and the first branch. I always like pondering these parts, ones that were clearly made by his hands.

There was some variability of exactly how he made instruments

Geyer made horns for a long time. The design evolved due to improvements and also adjusting things in relation to the purchased parts available to him. Keep in mind also, each horn was a custom order, made with a specific individual purchaser in mind. He did not sell a one-size-fits-all horn; every horn was made to suit a specific buyer.

A really clean design

Backing up to the topic of what was unique about the 1923 Geyer double horn design, it is very open around the valve section. In recent work on my Kruspe and my Patterson Geyer I had the three valve levers off both horns (putting dimes on one and taking dimes off the other). The Kruspe, with that tube between the valve section and the bell tail, it was quite a chore to fish things back into place. On the Geyer, it literally was a breeze. He must have really appreciated this over building the Schmidt style horns he built before 1923. Not to mention the thumb valve position and action really is much better on the Geyer than on my Kruspe (or on a Schmidt style horn).

The birth of the custom horn market

Finally, I’d just mention that within our USA context, Geyer created a market that survives today, the custom horn made by the lone maker or very small shop. I could name several easily, and it is to Geyer that we owe the creation of this market.

Geyer recognized also that the horn was only part of the equation, you needed a good mouthpiece to go with it! When the series returns, we will look more at Geyer the mouthpiece maker.

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PSA: Your Horn will Play Better if the Valves are Correctly Aligned

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French horn rotary valves have marks on the top, as seen below. These marks are put there by the valve maker when making the valve, and should be correct for optimal rotation.**

Check the outer mark first

There is a mark on the outside, at the joint between the valve casing and the inner bearing cap (out at the threads of the valve cap). That mark has to be lined up first, as it is key to the other marks being in the correct place. If it is not, you need to pop the top bearing off and reseat it correctly. If this is beyond your skills, you may want to refer the horn to a brass tech, but read on.

The marks on the bearing relate to the correct rotation of your valve

If these marks are off, you need to either trim the bumpers with a sharp X-Acto knife or put on a new bumper and trim it to size. Which also may feel beyond your skill level. But it is not that difficult to do any of these processes if you are moderately mechanical. I had figured out how to disassemble a valve and replace bumpers with no instruction whatsoever how to do it by the middle of high school.

Which brings me to two stories which may be of interest to readers.

Recent story #1: Valves in the wrong casings

A couple years ago I took my Patterson Geyer in to a local shop for an ultrasonic cleaning. I’m sure he has an assistant do most of this work, and the horn worked fine when I got it back.

Fast forward to last week. I have a scope that can be used to align valves, and I decided to check several horns. With the Patterson, some of rotation marks were slightly off when I looked down in the valves. I then started taking things apart and finally figured out that it was assembled incorrectly!

The parts are numbered on the valves, and you would guess that all the “1” parts would be in the first valve, etc. But the valve maker used by Patterson switched that up, the fourth valve is “1” and the first valve is “4.” The person at the shop had the second valve (marked “3”) correct, but all the loose parts of the actual first and third valve were reversed!

(Although, again, I can understand the confusion — the parts would set up the valve parts looking down the valve section as 4-3-2-1, but the shop guessed it was 2-3-4-1, and the stamped numbers on the outside of the casing are obscure).

When I got the parts all in the correct places the alignment marks were now correct! I just needed to replace about half of the bumpers to bring it all up to specs.

Aside: Bumper material

For the recent work I used some great material that was old round gasket material from our pool filter. It looks like a giant “O” ring, and I cut off what I needed. Very happy with it, have a supply to last me for years probably.

Recent story #2: Really difficult bumpers

The other horn that had some significant alignment issues was my Paxman triple. I could see a number of small issues and, with it being a compensating triple, I really wanted everything to be very correct, as on the F side the air goes through the valve section twice. And the horn was feeling super stuffy to me.

Again, that same local shop had cleaned the horn (I recall it really needed it!). Unfortunately, the bumper material they had used was mostly slightly small, things were over-rotating slightly.

I could on the other hand see why they used this material, as oh my these bumpers are so hard to put on. The area is so cramped, with too much tubing around the valve area. The Geyer style horn mentioned above, it is all so open and easy to work on. The triple, on the other hand, it really was a challenge, and I’m sure the shop must have struggled mightily with it.

Some of the shop bumpers I had already replaced in some prior work, using a couple different kinds of bumper material. Some I had done in natural cork and those all had to go, it was not holding up. Others were still holding up. In any case, I had to replace about half of the bumpers. Only 3 of the shop bumpers are still on the horn.

Again, as I worked over the bumpers I used the scope to double check the marks, which all were all essentially right on.

(I would add, yet another horn they cleaned at the same time, it still has all their bumpers on it and the alignment of everything is essentially perfect. I think the triple was just a challenge for them).

The results

Between these two horns, this was hours of work but with worthwhile results.

Both horns feel significantly better! As they should, as the valves really do need to line up correctly with the casings at each end of their rotation. The Paxman still feels stuffy but less so, and I think I can find a better mouthpiece for it when I get back in the office this week.

Overall, working on your valve rotation is totally work worth doing. Things need to be up to spec! If it is beyond your skills, it is still really worth taking a look and getting the horn to someone who can help you out.

**Sometimes, unfortunately, the marks are not actually correct. This is another reason for the brass technician to double check the marks using a scope. You can also get a good impression of the alignment without a scope with a strong light and looking down the valve tubes. It helps if the horn is screw bell to get your eye in the right place to look down the tubes.

Improve your Technique by Improving your Valve Lever Position

Over the break I’ve had a chance to really look at some questions I had about the valve lever position positions on my three double horns.

My fall semester episode

Early in the fall semester I was working on some very technical passages for an upcoming recital and was also getting rather frustrated. I was to a point where I was thinking there might be issues with my fingers, but then I tried other of my horns and discovered that I could play the passages on my big Paxman 25. As it was a horn, tuba, and piano recital, I went with that, I thought it would blend well. And I basically went with that horn for the fall. The Paxman as it was set up then is seen below.

Further analysis

With the break I did more analysis. The Paxman was the best because it needed a more “closed” had position, and the thumb also sits in a fairly closed position. For me there is an optimal distance between the thumb and third valve when they are depressed in particular, where my hand is closed in a certain way. I suspect somewhat related to aging, but I have clearly learned that I can’t use a big grip anymore, the fingers have better action in a more closed position.

But I did note, as good as the horn felt, that my fingers were hitting well back on the finger cups I had soldered to the valve levers years ago. There was room for improvement. I changed it over to the silver dimes that had previously been on the Patterson Geyer, as seen above. They don’t “stick out” as far and now sit in an optimal space for my fingers (with no dimes I have to reach out too far). The visible dime is a 1962, made the same year as me (only use vintage silver dimes!).

Compare those valve lever positions to the improved positions now seen on the Patterson Geyer. The string action valves have a lot of room for adjustment. I set them considerably lower, and I removed the dimes as they were unnecessary. I think I needed them more when I had the valves set higher. Also, I pulled the thumb lever in on the bar almost as far as it will go. The position is close to the same as the Paxman, and my fingers are much happier.

Which brings me to the Kruspe. Sigh. I have the 1-2-3 at, again, close to the optimal spot for me, with some snazzy 1948 dimes that match the age of the horn. But the thumb valve – I tried my best! – but it is really hopeless. Much too far away from the 1-2-3 valves, the throw is really long, etc. I think I can only use this horn (as good as it sounds!) for music that is not overly technical or at least not using the thumb valve much.

New year’s resolution: make your horn feel better for your left hand

As mentioned above, with string action valves you typically have a lot of room to move the position, and it is worth reevaluating those valve positions. You get used to valve positions to a point, but really you should be adjusting them to suit you the best you can.

For anyone wondering how to adjust the height of a valve, you need to loosen the screw on the side of the valve stem and slide the valve string to a better position.

The dimes are a bit more of an operation to add, but any competent brass repairman can help you out! Just be sure to use a dime from before 1965.

Start the new year with valves in better positions to help your technique fly.

Mental Health and Horn Playing: Anxiety and Daily Routines

About 15 years ago I fell into a playing slump. I had stopped doing my daily routines and started relying on freelance work and playing in student lessons to stay in shape. Over time my horn playing suffered, and it showed.

I did not fully realize it at the time but deep down, I was struggling with anxiety and depression. It is easy to recognize this now, but at the time I was stuck in a rut and had no idea.

Medication

I knew something was off. I felt ashamed for whatever it was and tried to keep it a secret. Through sheer will power, I told myself, these feelings would pass.

My recovery began with:

  • recognizing this behavior as a problem
  • talking to doctors
  • taking medication
  • adopting new habits & routines

Beta blockers

Beginning in college, I controlled performance anxiety with beta blockers. From the article “Musicians Use Beta Blockers as Performing Enhancing Drugs:”

“Beta blockers have been common in classical music since the 1970s. Originally prescribed to treat high blood pressure, they became performance enablers when it became clear that Inderal (the brand name) controlled stage fright. As long ago as 1987, a study of the 51 largest orchestras in the U.S. found one in four musicians using them to improve their live performances, with 70 percent of those getting their pills illicitly.”

I continued to use Inderal on-and-off until my mid-30s. I was afraid of what my colleagues would think and kept my use a secret.

Antidepressants

Fast forward to my mid-40s.

My anxiety and depression spun out of control. I was prescribed an antidepressant and ended up taking it for about four years.

Taking “head meds” for the first time can be scary. It can take time for your body to adapt. You may have doubts and start second-guessing everything you do.

It might take a while to get settled. You may experience unexpected side effects. You may need to change dosage amounts, or switch to a different medication entirely.

Keeping a journal and talking openly to other people about your mental state can be very helpful. There is nothing shameful or wrong with having anxiety issues, asking for help, or taking anxiety medications.

Routines

Maintaining daily routines can help. In his “Deeper insights” series, John Ericson writes about his son, who is handicapped and relies on routines.

In his article on anxiety, he writes:

“To get to more of a quality life, meds have helped and we have to keep him on routines. This point we can all apply to our performances, actually. We are less anxious when we have routines and stick to them. Over time you develop different tracks and parallel routines. Concert days have their track that is different than a practice day.”

Related to this, in “Routines, and the Better Horn Players” John closes with:

“…good horn players likely also have a strong sense of routines in how they organize their life. I’m sure there are exceptions, but I suspect that many of the top horn players do crave routines on some level.”

Personal examples

These days I live my life by a cycle of routines and sub-routines: for work, my diet, exercise, and horn playing. They are my lifeblood, the reasons for which I will get into in a future article.

Examples include:

  • morning walk
  • prepare and eat breakfast
  • 15-20 minutes of mouthpiece practice
  • 60 minutes of warmups & technical exercises
  • prepare and eat lunch
  • 15-30 minute nap or quiet meditation
  • prepare and eat afternoon snack
  • 60-90 minutes of physical exercise
  • prepare and eat dinner
  • 60-90 minutes of playing music
  • prepare for bed and sleep

Obsessing over daily habits and routines can backfire and trigger yet more anxiety. Stay open and flexible with routines. Adapt when necessary. Tomorrow will be another day.

Artistic performance is holistic

Feeling anxious, bored, or distracted when practicing or performing?

Start your detective work by taking a look in the mirror. Ask questions. Examine your daily habits and routines for clues. Think deeply about past experiences, and how they might be having an effect.

Do not keep your worries a secret! Talk openly to trusted friends, colleagues, teachers, spiritual guides, and medical professionals. There is no shame in wanting to improve yourself and needing help when doing so.


SEE ALSO:
Routines, and the Better Horn Players
Deeper Insights

Geyer Dreaming, III: Let’s Visit the Geyer Shop

Ever visit a horn makers shop? I have been fortunate to visit several, but never the shop of Carl Geyer. Fortunately, Milan Yancich and Thomas Bacon both have stories that paint the picture for us today of his original shop and the later shop.

The shop at 218 S. Wabash Ave.

Most Geyer horns were produced at this location, as he was here the longest, from ca. 1918-1955. Continuing his story as started in part II, Yancich recalls,

Painted on his shop door was the sign Carl Geyer – Horn Maker. The anteroom to his shop had a showcase displaying such items as mouthpieces, mutes, oil, cases, and instruments. Pictures of famous horn players hung on the walls. His desk was littered with hundreds of unanswered letters and hanging on a peg above the desk was a hunting horn …

An odd assortment of tools covered three work benches. Only Geyer knew where to find a tool in that disorder. The yellow flame of his torch burned from morning to night. Many a visitor had the sorry experience of burning his coat or jacket while engrossed in Geyer’s work. Over in one corner of the shop sat the machine lathe. Although most of his work was done by hand, the lathe was an indispensable tool, for on it he turned out mouthpieces for countless hundreds of performers, both French horn and trumpet.

I’ll return to the topic of mouthpieces in a later installment. Resuming the description of the shop itself,

In the rear of the shop was a cold buffing machine for polishing instruments. Beyond that was a small room which contained a wash basin. We called this room the Cellar – here we kept such staples as bread, butter, and coffee. Cups hung on pegs – enough to accommodate extra guests. There were also two ten-gallon crocks. One crock held acid for cleaning metals …. The other crock contained liquid of another sort. This was the alcoholic-type used for emergency medical and entertainment purposes.

That second crock would have been rather handy during prohibition, 1920-33! Yancich describes his typical working day.

Geyer’s talent for repairing and improving instruments gained him such a reputation and kept him so busy that time was of the essence in his shop. His day began at 7:00 a.m. There were very few days he left his bench before 7:00 p.m. Yet, whenever a customer came into the shop, especially if he were an out of towner, Geyer always laid aside his work to visit.

Ethel Merker and Carl Geyer in his shop

Interlude: How quickly could he build a horn?

Geyer is quoted in the IHS website bio saying that each horn took three to four weeks to build. But he could go faster in certain situations. Yancich left Chicago to play in the Cleveland orchestra for a season, when, unfortunately, his contract was not renewed. Continuing the story,

After my adverse Cleveland experience I returned to Chicago and it was then I discovered the true measure of his friendship. My horn was stolen from my automobile in 1953. When I telephoned Geyer about the tragic event, tearfully explaining my predicament, he calmed me by saying, “Don’t worry, I will make you another in a week.” He was true to his word. He put aside all his other work, he closed his shop to all customers, and after a frenzy of activity and work, he presented me with a new horn. It was a work of dedication and love.

Yancich further elaborates that “What always impressed me about Carl Geyer was his genuine interest in the person playing the horn, no matter whether that person was amateur or professional.”

The shop at 228 S. Wabash Ave.

Geyer turned 75 in 1955! Perhaps in relation to that, in 1955 he sold his business to the Kagan & Gaines Music store. He continued to build horns in a small shop in the back of their store until he retired in 1970 at the age of 90! The arrangement of them taking care of his business affairs suited Geyer, giving him freedom to keep building.

As a high school student Thomas Bacon was looking for a new horn, but could not find what he wanted. At that point he was told by his band director to “go to Kagan and Gaines downtown, ask for Joe, and tell him you want to meet Mr. Geyer. If they’re not too busy, maybe he’ll take you back to Geyer’s shop.” Continuing his story as shared on his Hornplanet website,

If I had been a string player, I would have known that Kagan and Gaines was the place in Chicago to go for instruments, accessories, and repairs. And Joe, it turned out, was the guy who worked the front of the store and took care of Mr. Geyer’s business. Carl Geyer, German born and living in the United States since 1903, had somehow become affiliated with Kagan and Gaines as a maker of horns. And tucked away back in a forest of dust covered string basses was the small workshop where this elderly artisan made “the best French horns in the world.”

He spoke with a thick German accent and had a sparkle in his eye that enchanted everyone who came into his shop. He was surprised to be visited by such a young player, he was used to dealing with all the pros from the Chicago Symphony and any visiting orchestra that came to town. Seldom did young students come to him wanting to try out one of his horns. He must have been amused by the chubby little high school kid that had come to visit, so he took pause from his work to introduce me to his latest creation.

Of trying that horn Bacon recalled,

What happened then was a feeling that could only be described as love. The horn played like a dream, had the most velvety smooth sound I had ever produced on any instrument. I knew that I had found what I was looking for and told Mr. Geyer so. I asked if I could buy one of his horns. He said that he had a lot of orders to fill, but if I would wait six months he would make one for me.

As to the shop itself, Bacon paints a vivid picture.

At the time, Mr. Geyer was 83 years old, and his shop was extremely disorderly. It was a tiny room with high ceilings. Brass tubes, leadpipes, old horns and horn parts, valve casings, tools, mouthpieces, and lots of other things lay about in seeming disarray. I never once saw him use a more sophisticated measuring device than a frayed and dirty old piece of string that had several marks on it indicating different lengths. He would take a valve mechanism (which he called “die Maschine”), and solder onto it various little tubes which he extracted out of the mess surrounding him. He would eyeball the curves in the tubes he had to shape, and with an air of disdain for “modern” engineering and construction practices, he would instinctively put together, with remarkable consistency, an instrument that was also a work of art. When, on occasion, an instrument turned out with bad notes or a stuffy tone, he seemed to know intuitively where the trouble lay, and would simply take off the leadpipe or valve mechanism or whatever, replace it with another, and presto, the horn was made well.

So that is what things looked like in 1962-63! That is really part of the magic of the Geyer horn today, one man making artist quality French horns in his own small shop, largely to a design he had created, for a lifetime.

When the series returns, we will look a little more at the topic of building a horn in the context of the Geyer shop.

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**The photo of Geyer with Ethel Merker in his shop was found on an inactive Facebook page, Carl Geyer Horns. If you have photos of Geyer in his shop, of early Geyer style double horns, or of mouthpieces that you would be willing to share with Horn Matters readers contact me at my ASU Email.

Mental Health and Horn Playing: The 5-4-3-2-1 Grounding Technique

I think that it is rather common for people to turn inwards when having anxious thoughts. For horn players, this might translate to internal dialogues, such as:

  • My chops are tired – I sure hope I make it to the end of this concert…
  • I am not prepared to play this piece. What is going to happen?
  • Here comes that big solo. I better not miss any notes.
  • Why is the conductor looking at me like that?

The anticipation of an event going badly can often be much worse than the actual event. For some, this kind of thinking can spin out of control and trigger a panic attack.

The 5-4-3-2-1 Technique

An excellent grounding exercise to help with anxious thoughts is the 5-4-3-2-1 technique. It is a standard technique known in the world of psychology and behavioral science, that traces back to a program designed for people afraid of flying in airplanes.

According to a Behavioral Health Partners article from the University of Rochester:

“Anxiety is something most of us have experienced at least once in our life. Public speaking, performance reviews, and new job responsibilities are just some of the work-related situations that can cause even the calmest person to feel a little stressed. This five-step exercise can be very helpful during periods of anxiety or panic by helping to ground you in the present when your mind is bouncing around between various anxious thoughts.”

The 5-4-3-2-1 concept is very simple. Sit quietly. Out loud or in your mind, identify:

  • 5 things you can see
  • 4 things you can feel
  • 3 things you can hear
  • 2 things you can smell
  • 1 thing you can taste

For example, 5 things you can see:

  1. my horn
  2. my music stand
  3. the floor below me
  4. the ceiling above me
  5. the music stand in front of me

Take your time and make thoughtful, conscious choices. As you identify items, inhale through your nose and exhale through your mouth. Repeat this exercise as many times as needed.

What does this technique do?

As you engage this technique, pay attention to your thoughts and how your body responds. The goal is to quietly shift your mental focus away from internal dialogues, and focus instead on your present surroundings.

The 5-4-3-2-1 technique may not make your anxiety magically disappear, but it can help. To learn more about this technique, please see the recommended resources below:

Geyer Dreaming II: The Development of his Horn

Continuing our look at Carl Geyer and his horns, as noted in part I he had his own shop running by 1918. At that point he still was making double horns on the Schmidt design, with the piston valve for the thumb valve, but he was experimenting.

A quick look at Geyer serial numbers

Jumping ahead for a moment, Geyer did have a system for serial numbers. As related by Tom Bacon in his Horn Planet website,

Over his lifetime, he made about 1,400 horns, but never did he complete more than one on the same day. It wasn’t until the day my horn was finished that I noticed Mr. Geyer’s interesting way of numbering his instruments. He finished work on my horn on April 9, 1963. The inscription on the bell was:

Carl Geyer
Chicago
4963

I know from private correspondence that a Geyer style Geyer double horn exists with the serial number 223. The system would suggest that it was completed in February of 1923. Where this fits into the experiments that developed the design is unclear, but for anyone with an early Geyer double out there, you should give that serial number a look, it could help pin down the year that the design was perfected.

UPDATE: Geyer however did not consistently follow this system. Please see this article for more. 

Geyer looks back in 1972

According to a July 12, 1972, interview included in a 1975 thesis by Gary Gardner Fladmoe “The Contributions to Brass Instrument Manufacturing on Vincent Bach, Carl Geyer and Reynold Schilke” (major hat tip to Jonathan Ring for posting excerpts on the Horn People group!), Geyer changed the design of his double horn “by the mid-1920s.” Fladmore summarized their conversation as follows.

Geyer’s design was unusual in that he located the change valve after the main valve section instead of in its customary position ahead of the valve section. The valve was operated by the thumb by means of a long rod which connected the thumb key to the valve by bridging the main valve section. Geyer believed the design offered two advantages over the traditional placement of the change valve. Placing the valve after the main valve section simplified the overall design of the horn by eliminating some of the coiling of the smaller tubing. Geyer also believed that the design made the instrument less crowded in the area ahead of the valve section and provide the player with increased leverage in the operation of the change valve.

He then turned to the issue of the Knopf horn being of the same design.

At about the same time that Geyer placed this design on the market, Knopf, a German manufacturer introduced a horn of almost identical design. Geyer maintained that Wunderlich, who had observed Geyer working on the design while he was still at Wunderlich, had taken the idea to Knopf upon a trip to his native Germany.

So, the roots of the design date to before World War I. But…

Who had the patent?

Continuing in the Fladmoe thesis,

Geyer applied for a patent on the design, but probably because the Knopf instrument was in production, calling Geyer’s claim on the design into question, the patent was not granted. … Instead of seeking patents, Geyer’s approach was to indicate that he had applied for a patent on the new design.

In short, the design was not patented by Geyer or Knopf. As Jonathan Ring commented in Horn People, “Many of the large German firms like Kruspe, Alexander, and Schmidt took out patents on their designs for a period of time. I find it interesting that Knopf did not patent the design in question, possibly because it was actually Geyer who came up with it as he suggests in the thesis. I’m not sure we will ever actually know the answer for sure.”

Introducing Carl Geyer

As mentioned in part I, Milan Yancich spent many hours with Geyer in the years during and after WWII. He offers the following introduction.

Geyer was a man of slight build, lean and with no trace of fat on his body. He was physically powerful. There were times when he asked me to take over a task in his workshop. He seemed to be able to work effortlessly at a job that I strained and quickly tired from in the same endeavor. His formula for good health was eating oatmeal every morning for breakfast and it had to be prepared a certain way. … I once asked him why he thought oatmeal was good for one’s health. He came up with the old line that “Horses are strong because they eat oats.”

One thing you might wonder at this point is did Geyer play horn? According to Yancich,

He learned to play some trumpet and he was able to get a few sounds out of a horn; it was his tradition to always play the first few notes on a newly made horn. I had the privilege of testing many of the new horns that he manufactured.

In those days of World War II I never missed the opportunity to visit him when I came into Chicago from Ft. Sheridan [where Yancich was stationed]. It was to be the beginning of a long and meaningful friendship. … Despite some political differences, Carl and I trusted each other about many things. Several years after the war was over, and I had become a member of the Chicago Symphony, his workshop became like a haven, a refuge, my second home.

We will continue that story when the series returns.

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Mental Health and Horn Playing: The Impact of Private Lessons

For many years, I struggled with performance anxiety. When exposed passages came up in ensemble rehearsals and performances, I would get noticeably nervous. It wasn’t until years after graduating from college that I realized something – my performance anxiety was rooted in past experience.

The Mind of the Horn Player. Click for a closer look.

I won’t go into detail about my childhood, but it is worth saying that I have some history there. The seeds for anxiety were planted at an early age.

When learning to play the French horn and how to become a professional, I sought out teachers that were role models.

My first horn teacher was a very kind man, who was very supportive. I would get nervous and fall apart sometimes in lessons, but it was never a problem. He did his best to spin in it into a more positive direction.

My second teacher was a well-known Professor with a stern, academic mindset. A strict regimen of etudes and orchestral excerpts were assigned weekly. You were expected to perform them in lessons perfectly (the first time), but figure out how to do that on your own.

This approach did not go well for me. My anxiety skyrocketed and I would sometimes freeze up or crash in lessons. When this happened, the Professor would shrug his shoulders, offer tidbits of generic advice, and reassign the same etudes for the next lesson.

Weekly lessons became less about learning and more about jumping through hoops. Over time, I grew to dread my lessons and fear my teacher.

This experience had a long-lasting impact on my psyche – as a musician and as a person. Here are some thoughts to share in response, for both teachers and students to consider:

Lesson Materials

Teachers – think deeply about your lesson materials. Are they set in concrete? Is there room for flexibility? Do you rely on predetermined rubrics and standards to get through your day? Are you keeping the student’s best interests in mind when doing this?

Students – if you are feeling overly-challenged by lesson materials, speak up! It may feel awkward at first to admit a shortcoming, but this is the entire point of taking music lessons. You are there to improve!

Lesson Gestalt

Teachers – pay attention to your student’s demeanor during lessons. Do they appear calm and relaxed? Or do they appear withdrawn, tense, or nervous?

Students – talk openly about anxiety with your teacher. If you feel dismissed by this dialogue, it might be time to think about studying with a different teacher.

Teachers – is your lesson studio a warm and inviting space that inspires dialogue and learning? Or is it a dull and drab room that “does the job?”

Students – do you feel comfortable in your lesson environment, whether it be a university studio, school practice room, or home studio? Do you feel that your teacher is competent in what they are doing and has your best interests in mind?

Mental Health

Teachers – think about the impact you are having on your student’s confidence and well-being – not just as a performer, but as a human being. As a mentor, you may need to devote extra thought for students who:

  • come from, or currently live in, difficult living circumstances
  • remain silent (or are overly rambunctious) during lessons
  • cannot focus on performing for one reason or another
  • appear to need help with their mental health
  • have no idea how to practice

Students – do not ignore feelings related to your mental health. Keeping it a secret can make matters worse. If you are feeling like a failure, please consider:

  • talking to your teacher
  • talking to a trusted friend
  • talking to someone about your teacher
  • talking to a counselor or therapist
  • trying medication (under medical supervision)
  • taking a break from the horn
  • switching to a different teacher
  • switching to something else entirely as a creative outlet

For more on this topic, please see:

Geyer Dreaming, part I: The Best New Horn Design of 1923 …

In 1923, “after much experimentation,” Carl Geyer (1880-1973) made the first example of what we would call today a Geyer style double horn. Our source is pretty authoritative; this date and information is found on page 115 of the 1995 memoir by Milan Yancich, An Orchestra Musician’s Odyssey: A View from the Rear. Yancich knew Geyer very well, and presents a number of fascinating details on his horns and the man.

Before getting to quotes, this book is a great read and is still available from Wind Music Publications. Treat yourself to a copy! (Website link here). 

Without question the Geyer style horn is the horn most in demand in the USA horn playing market. And 2023** will mark the 100th anniversary of the design! Geyer is very worth a closer look. Compared to other early and iconic double horn designs — the Alexander 103, the Kruspe Horner model, and the Schmidt – the Geyer is the newest type by some 20+ years.

UPDATE: There are several updates to this article series to be found here, please reference this first before reading on

At 15 Carl Geyer had begun an eight-year apprenticeship to an instrument maker. By age 23 he was experienced in the craft, and saw an advertisement in Leipzig for work as an instrument maker in Chicago.*** He decided to follow the opportunity, entering the United States in April of 1904 to work for the firm of Richard Wunderlich. Geyer became a US citizen in 1915.

In those years Geyer built single horns and double horns with the Schmidt-style piston thumb valve. Wunderlich retired during WWI, and Geyer took that opportunity to set out on his own. He had his own shop operating by 1918 at 218 S. Wabash Ave.**** Quoting Yancich,

Musicians began to try the Geyer horn and they discovered a French horn of superior quality. By listening to a person’s tone quality and the manner in which he performed, he was able to construct an instrument that fitted that individual’s needs. Perhaps this is one of the reasons why Geyer’s horn[s] have been so popular with his clientele and the reason why today a Geyer horn is considered a collector’s item.

Jumping forward a few years, we get to the key quotes from Yancich about his 1923 innovation.

Simplicity of design was the feature that struck the eye of the player viewing it for the first time. The tone quality of the horn, both in brightness and richness, was due to Geyer’s selection of the finest imported brass….

During those many years with the Wunderlich firm, Geyer made horns designed on the Schmidt model horn and those horns were called Wunderlich horns. Eventually Wunderlich returned to Germany with the newly designed horn that Geyer had built. The horn was then manufactured by the Knopf firm of Germany and also called the Wunderlich horn until the death of Wunderlich. Europeans know of the design to be the Knopf model, but Geyer insisted that he had invented the design; because of the patent laws in the United States there was no way he could protect his horn. This particular designed instrument has now become the most popular of all French horn models. It is used by practically all the major horn manufacturers in the world.

The very next sentence in the Yancich book might then surprise you. Yancich states that “I was surprised when Geyer affirmed the Schmidt horn, even with its awkward piston valve, was the greatest horn ever designed.”

My Patterson Geyer

However, the market today would confirm that the 1923 Geyer design was in fact the greatest double horn ever designed. Especially among higher level players in the United States, it is absolutely the dominant design today

During WWII and after the war when he was in the Chicago Symphony, Yancich spent many hours with Geyer in his shop. When this series returns, we will look closer at the development of his horn design.

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Several details updated

**So far as I am aware, Yancich is the only source to give a specific date for this design. He does so in this book and also in a 1961 article (in volume 3, no. 11 of Woodwind World, — which is the basis of the text in the book, with additional information). I welcome readers who have access to any other sources that address the topic, as 2023 would appear to be the 100th anniversary of the design.

***Yancich says he came to the USA in 1903, but the bio in the IHS website gives this date as 1904, as does the Geyer timeline that may be accessed from this page in the Horn-U-Copia website. Horn-U-Copia is very specific in fact, that he emmigrated on April 13, 1904.

****This information is also from the Horn-U-Copia site, citing a “WWI draft listing.”

Kruspe Dreaming, III: A Very Big (and Early) Kruspe

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In this series I’ve focused on my ca. 1948 Kruspe, but I have also been able to spend some time with another, older Kruspe Horner model.

This example is from I would guess around WWI. (UPDATE: Unfortunately, I did not make note of or take a photo of the engraving. As elaborated on briefly in this post, there are clues in the engraving to the general period of manufacture of Kruspe horns). One of the most visible differences is It has the “upside down” thumb valve. The only mainstream double horn made today with a thumb valve with the action on top is the Alexander 103 (and copies of the design). One thing nice about the design compared to my Kruspe is it takes a standard horn valve spring (I had to modify a tuba spring for my Kruspe). On the other and, you get the feeling that players then did not use the thumb valve as much? The action is not as facile as you would expect.

The horn itself is in beautiful shape, it has rebuilt valves and “only” two patches. Hand hammered bell and nickel silver slide tubes. Many details are different between the horns. Compared to my post-war Kruspe double, mine plays circles around the older one.

A really big bell

The old one has a HUGE bell throat, the largest I have ever seen on any horn, makes my Paxman 25A seem much more reasonable. The photos below show the comparison of how far a mute fits in both horns, with the end of the mute just barely visible on the big, old Kruspe.

A notable thumb valve

Finally, more close ups of the thumb valve area. The postwar horn has a larger (“full size”) thumb valve, but the older one has a smaller diameter valve, like one like on a Conn 8D.

Postwar comparison

Finally, the same view of the 1948 horn. Many details differ, as to be expected by horns built probably 30+ years apart.

This series is probably not over but will be on hiatus for a little while! But be watching for a Geyer Dreaming series soon.

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